The victims victimise

ironwallI sat think­ing of what to say to accom­pany this image in this entry for about 20 minutes.

I still can’t think of some­thing ade­quate in order to describe how dis­gusted I am that the same people who were per­se­cuted, tor­tured and slaugh­tered in their mil­lions during the Nazi reign of World War II are now com­mit­ting similar atroc­i­ties to the Arabian people while the world watches and does nothing…

13 comments

  1. 1. libervisco
    Jul 30, 14:01

    The world doesn’t watch and do nothing. USA is sup­port­ing the war and Israeli hatry that further fuels it. That’s what they do.

    All this is just part of the circle of evil that has been cir­cling on and on in the middle east for decades, even cen­turies. Those who choose to get involved in any way ought to be careful not to get caught in the neg­a­tiv­ity of the whole thing them­selves. Those who however get involved merely to profit from what is going on there are clearly parted with any sense of moral­ity. Even igno­rance is better than that.

    Just don’t let it get to you too much. As long as you can do some­thing pos­i­tive about it, like spread­ing aware­ness of the issue, that’s good, but the images of horror, however hard to grasp, are just mind break­ing and soul infec­tious.

    Not sure if I expressed that well.

  2. 2. Nick
    Jul 30, 16:03

    We learn from history that we learn nothing from history. George Bernard Shaw

  3. 3. Pascal
    Jul 30, 16:21

    Just don’t let it get to you too much. As long as you can do some­thing pos­i­tive about it, like spread­ing aware­ness of the issue, that’s good, but the images of horror, however hard to grasp, are just mind break­ing and soul infec­tious.

    This does get to me a lot. I feel I have come to appre­ci­ate the ben­e­fits that friend­ships can bring to human beings, espe­cially with my strong par­tic­i­pa­tion in the free/libre/open source soft­ware com­mu­nity. I have wit­nessed what happens when social net­works are formed and grow vibrantly. I have seen what comes to when people coop­er­ate, col­lab­o­rate and share with each other, what happens when friend­ships are formed between people of dif­fer­ent cul­tures and expe­ri­ences.

    Every single human being on this planet is yet another part of a massive force that can help shape the world to be a better place for every­one. This is espe­cially true and can, I believe rel­a­tively to history in a short period of time, with the use of the single, largest, most effi­cient, hope­fully free com­mu­ni­ca­tion network in our history make this world a better place.

    One book of a few hundred pages when dig­i­tized can be sent from one loca­tion in this world to another in less than half a minute. We have the tech­nol­ogy to freely share pho­tog­ra­phy and film and writ­ings of lit­er­ally any­thing to anyone and every­one around the globe con­nected in a matter of minutes.

    When I see and use this tech­nol­ogy, or more impor­tantly, the pos­si­b­li­ties that arise out of this network, I am deeply stunned and dis­gusted to see hatred, vio­lence, racism, sexism, greed and cor­rup­tion threaten to destroy the pos­si­bil­i­ties that we have within reach.

    Every single time I turn on the tele­vi­sion set and watch the news as I do almost daily I see footage of oppres­sion, hatred, war and death. And what do I see pre­dom­i­nately in the news in the current times of our age? I see this hatred and racism coming from a group of people whose ances­tors have been vic­tim­ized less than a hundred years ago. Yes, of course it comes from all sides involved however it I find the power that one par­tic­u­lar side has and the neg­li­gent abuse of that power to be more vile than the hatred dis­played by the oppressed.

    I guess that should give people some indi­ca­tion about how any why I feel as I do about these issues.

  4. 4. libervisco
    Jul 30, 21:41

    Well said Pascal. Not much to add to that.

    I only advised a bit of caution, if that’s the right term, regard­ing the emo­tional impact of these hap­pen­ings. Letting your­self get too emo­tion­ally hurt may have adverse effects to you and pos­si­bly your goals. Maybe I’m being a bit too dra­matic about this, but the war there (as any other war of the kind) is very dra­matic indeed..

    I think what I am sug­gest­ing is to keep a cool head about this, at least as much as that is pos­si­ble. Think with reason above emotion.

    Maybe a good example of oth­er­wise hap­pen­ing would be feel­ings that could start devel­op­ing against Israelis because of what they are doing to Pales­tini­ans, after watch­ing that video you linked me. I can very well imagine people in which this video would seed a very neg­a­tive and poten­tially deep feeling against all Israelis (poten­tially devel­op­ing into hatry), but that would be putting emotion beyond reason and would end up con­tribut­ing nothing to the solu­tion of the problem.

    Of course, I don’t suggest that you’re in that sit­u­a­tion at all. You might count this as just a friendly little advice.

    But you’re right regard­ing what you say about using this incred­i­ble network and pos­si­bil­i­ties we have to affect major pos­i­tive changes in the world. I can only agree to that and hope enough people start believ­ing it too.

  5. 5. Pascal
    Jul 30, 22:43

    Maybe a good example of oth­er­wise hap­pen­ing would be feel­ings that could start devel­op­ing against Israelis because of what they are doing to Pales­tini­ans, after watch­ing that video you linked me. I can very well imagine people in which this video would seed a very neg­a­tive and poten­tially deep feeling against all Israelis (poten­tially devel­op­ing into hatry), but that would be putting emotion beyond reason and would end up con­tribut­ing nothing to the solu­tion of the problem.

    Agreed. :)

  6. 6. James Purser
    Jul 31, 00:55

    Okay lets get a little per­spec­tive here. Yes the Israeli’s are being com­plete and utter bas­tards, stupid ones at that. They are dam­ag­ing both them­selves and the US in the region and giving groups like Hizbol­lah a legi­t­a­mzcy they do not deserve.

    However to compare the limited civil­ian casu­al­ties (and yes in terms of war, 400 civil­ian casu­al­ties in however many weeks this has been going on is limited) to the mass slaugh­ter and attempted geno­cide of the Nazi’s is way over the top.

  7. 7. Leon Brooks
    Jul 31, 09:48

    I second Nick’s quote of GBS.

    A a com­plete race, we’re incred­i­bly dense. Bad exam­ples are laid out before us , and what we seem to do is *follow* them. D’uh? This tells us some basic things about our­selves.

  8. 8. John
    Jul 31, 11:22

    HHmm. Prob­a­bly because the world did nothing but ignore this the first time hence 6 million people (not just the jews) just dis­s­ap­peared, so why shouldn’t the Jews use the same men­tal­ity. This process has been used many times in history in Africa, Europe etc many times over (and not that long ago were Chris­tians doing it to Moslems). It may not be right but ignored once or twice or three times it becomes accept­able human prac­tice, becuase that is what humans do…defile each other.

    There will never be a res­o­lu­tion to the Jew / Arab issue because they are the same family split along time ago, with very common roots that now refuse to accept each other. Both the Moslems and Chris­tians are both rooted in the Jewish faith hence why the white suprema­cists, Moslems and jewish extrem­ists will never get along. They are the fringes of their reli­gions with the biggest barrow to push.

    History, pol­i­tics and the Britsh stuff-​up will mean that this area of the world will never settle, and any peace will only be short term. Sad but true if you think about it.

  9. 9. Pascal
    Aug 01, 11:09

    Okay lets get a little per­spec­tive here. Yes the Israeli’s are being com­plete and utter bas­tards, stupid ones at that. They are dam­ag­ing both them­selves and the US in the region and giving groups like Hizbol­lah a legi­t­a­mzcy they do not deserve.

    However to compare the limited civil­ian casu­al­ties (and yes in terms of war, 400 civil­ian casu­al­ties in however many weeks this has been going on is limited) to the mass slaugh­ter and attempted geno­cide of the Nazi’s is way over the top.

    This hatred did not develop overnight over this con­flict. I am talking about the last 50 years of oppres­sion against the Pales­tin­ian people, the decade long occu­pa­tion of south­ern Lebanon and more. Kill one person - kill 10 people - you’re still a mur­derer and when you add the strife that the various peoples around Israel have lived through for the last 50 years then I’m sorry I cannot find a dif­fer­ence except for perhaps in numbers between what is hap­pen­ing now and what hap­pened in the second quarter of the 20th century.

    Pales­tin­ian school chil­dren getting stoned on their way to school, check­points in your own land where-​ever you go, the apartheid wall seg­re­gat­ing you from your fellow people, destruc­tion of your land and crops and livli­hood to be replaced with pres­ti­gious Zionist set­tle­ments.

    If you watch the footage of some of these events you would surely agree. For example there was one such record­ing of where an olive farmer’s crop­land is coin­ci­den­tally in the way of the planned apartheid wall and the IDF pro­tected Israeli workers as they used chain­saws to cut down the olive trees - essen­tially this community’s only income of money. The Pales­tin­ian man broke free of the IDF sol­diers holding him back and tried to pull off any remain­ing olives from one of the trees being dragged away and the IDF jump and hold him down like some crim­i­nal.

    This sort of treat­ment the Pales­tin­ian people have to go through on a daily basis.

  10. 10. John
    Aug 01, 15:30

    this hatred goes back cen­turies more than you think, and is way more deep seated than the last 50 - 100 years and pales­tine in par­ticlar. It goes back to the initial start of the moslem reli­gion as a spin off from the jewish faith.

    Don’t forget the cru­aders had a large impact in this region too

  11. 11. Pascal
    Aug 01, 22:19

    Def­i­nitely and it is also not one-​sided. Note though what I chiefly wanted to point out was what has been hap­pen­ing post WWII. The Jewish people suf­fered so much during WWII and now, some members of the Jewish people seem to dis­re­gard the horrors of oppres­sion and death com­mit­ting war crimes en masse in the Middle East today, espe­cially with the recent esca­la­tion.

    I don’t care who sup­pos­edly was respon­si­ble for the esca­la­tion - what I really care about is peace and justice for all involved.

  12. 12. John
    Aug 01, 22:25

    and hence the problem, the issue isn’t new or even recent and this esca­la­tion is just another of very many, but now very one sided (depend­ing on where you sit) or so it appears.

    Israel has been invaded or attempted to be invaded a number of times in earlier decades past, now they fight with a vene­gence to never let that happen again.

    Though an eye for an eye may seem old school to many of us it is a strong belief for others, so when you start some­thing ie kidnap sol­diers, you must expect that the return hit will be larger than the initial action. This doesn’t say it is right or wrong but it could be very easy to lure Israel into a con­flict and get the sym­pa­thy of the world stage by orch­es­rat­ing such an action

  13. 13. Pascal
    Aug 03, 09:33

    An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind.” — Mahatma Ghandi

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